Van Persie to Sign Arsenal Contract
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Re: Van Persie to Sign Arsenal Contract
Cesc does have that touch of arrogance about him... But he was a very humble player most of the time...
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Re: Van Persie to Sign Arsenal Contract
VAN PERSIE COULD EXPLOIT FIFA LOOPHOLE TO QUIT ARSENAL AT REDUCED PRICE - LAWYER
Robin van Persie can terminate his contract this summer under Fifa transfer regulations that would deny Arsenal a transfer fee for their prize asset, The Sweeper can reveal.
Van Persie is entitled to exploit the little-used Webster ruling within 15 days of the end of the current season, which would then signal the start of a potentially 18-month legal battle with Fifa and the courts to determine a compensation figure payable to Arsenal.
Sports lawyer Juan de Dios Crespo Perez, who represented former Hearts player Andy Webster in the landmark 2006 case and is the world’s leading authority on the subject, told The Sweeper that Van Persie “is entitled and can do it easily” but players and buying clubs are reluctant to use the ruling because of uncertainty over how much it will cost them.
Article 17 of Fifa’s Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players, which has become known as the ‘Webster ruling’, states that a player who signed a deal before the age of 28 can walk away from his contract three years after the deal was signed.
Van Persie would be eligible because he signed his four-year contract aged 25 in July 2009, an agreement which ties him to Arsenal until 2013. The ‘protected period’, as Fifa describes it in its rules, runs out in June.
Perez, who represents the Spain-based law firm Ruiz-Huerta & Crespo, told The Sweeper: “He must notify his club [Arsenal] within 15 days after the last official match of the season [on May 13]. Then the former club shall go to a national court or Fifa to claim for breach of contract.
“Van Persie is entitled to use Article 17 and he can do it easily but the indemnity is not sure at all. I do see him using Article 17 but really it is a negotiating tool.”
Since Webster, there have been only two Article 17 cases that have been decided by the Court of Arbitration for Sport – the Brazilian midfielder Matuzalem was instructed in 2009 to pay Shakhtar Donetsk €11.8m (£9.8m) for breach of contract and Italian goalkeeper Morgan De Sanctis had to pay his former club Sevilla €2.25m (£1.9m) when a judgement was made in March 2011.
Nevertheless, there have been other players who have used the ‘Webster’ ruling to negotiate a move before settling their cases amicably – including Jonas Gutierrez, Valon Behrami, Stephan Lichtsteiner and Paulo Assuncao.
When Webster won his case, the calculation payable was the remainder of the contract, which in Van Persie’s case would be one year’s salary - around £4m.
Perez explains: “The remaining of the contract issue is not used anymore. Now there are a lot of objective criteria like the remunerations in the former and new club, the remaining years, amortisation of transfer fee, replacement costs etc.
“If Van Persie uses Article 17 there is no transfer fee involved. It would be a compensation that Fifa and then CAS (or a national court if it’s possible in the country) had to calculate and that him and the new club would have to pay at the end of the procedure.”
Perez does not expect a stampede of Article 17 cases in the future because of the variables involved.
“It is an effective rule but it is like a divorce – not everybody is using it,” he said. “It is not used more as we cannot predict the outcome of the compensation to pay and acquiring clubs are not willing to take the chance. They think it is too risky as the indemnity cannot be known.
“It is definitely a tool to be used within the negotiation for a move or, even better, for a new and bigger contract.”
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3774/the-sweeper/2012/03/17/2972309/the-sweeper-lawyer-reveals-contract-loophole-could-see-van
Robin van Persie can terminate his contract this summer under Fifa transfer regulations that would deny Arsenal a transfer fee for their prize asset, The Sweeper can reveal.
Van Persie is entitled to exploit the little-used Webster ruling within 15 days of the end of the current season, which would then signal the start of a potentially 18-month legal battle with Fifa and the courts to determine a compensation figure payable to Arsenal.
Sports lawyer Juan de Dios Crespo Perez, who represented former Hearts player Andy Webster in the landmark 2006 case and is the world’s leading authority on the subject, told The Sweeper that Van Persie “is entitled and can do it easily” but players and buying clubs are reluctant to use the ruling because of uncertainty over how much it will cost them.
Article 17 of Fifa’s Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players, which has become known as the ‘Webster ruling’, states that a player who signed a deal before the age of 28 can walk away from his contract three years after the deal was signed.
Van Persie would be eligible because he signed his four-year contract aged 25 in July 2009, an agreement which ties him to Arsenal until 2013. The ‘protected period’, as Fifa describes it in its rules, runs out in June.
Perez, who represents the Spain-based law firm Ruiz-Huerta & Crespo, told The Sweeper: “He must notify his club [Arsenal] within 15 days after the last official match of the season [on May 13]. Then the former club shall go to a national court or Fifa to claim for breach of contract.
“Van Persie is entitled to use Article 17 and he can do it easily but the indemnity is not sure at all. I do see him using Article 17 but really it is a negotiating tool.”
Since Webster, there have been only two Article 17 cases that have been decided by the Court of Arbitration for Sport – the Brazilian midfielder Matuzalem was instructed in 2009 to pay Shakhtar Donetsk €11.8m (£9.8m) for breach of contract and Italian goalkeeper Morgan De Sanctis had to pay his former club Sevilla €2.25m (£1.9m) when a judgement was made in March 2011.
Nevertheless, there have been other players who have used the ‘Webster’ ruling to negotiate a move before settling their cases amicably – including Jonas Gutierrez, Valon Behrami, Stephan Lichtsteiner and Paulo Assuncao.
When Webster won his case, the calculation payable was the remainder of the contract, which in Van Persie’s case would be one year’s salary - around £4m.
Perez explains: “The remaining of the contract issue is not used anymore. Now there are a lot of objective criteria like the remunerations in the former and new club, the remaining years, amortisation of transfer fee, replacement costs etc.
“If Van Persie uses Article 17 there is no transfer fee involved. It would be a compensation that Fifa and then CAS (or a national court if it’s possible in the country) had to calculate and that him and the new club would have to pay at the end of the procedure.”
Perez does not expect a stampede of Article 17 cases in the future because of the variables involved.
“It is an effective rule but it is like a divorce – not everybody is using it,” he said. “It is not used more as we cannot predict the outcome of the compensation to pay and acquiring clubs are not willing to take the chance. They think it is too risky as the indemnity cannot be known.
“It is definitely a tool to be used within the negotiation for a move or, even better, for a new and bigger contract.”
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3774/the-sweeper/2012/03/17/2972309/the-sweeper-lawyer-reveals-contract-loophole-could-see-van
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Re: Van Persie to Sign Arsenal Contract
@mike...
I see this on the BBC website this morning and I sware them and sky including the sun newspaper columnists are hell bent on supplying any information on breaking down our club and players will within the club.....
This shit that gets dug up is getting beyond a fucking joke...you just simply don't hear it with other clubs not to this extent...
But and I will say this...why is this guy doing this kind of digging?
Most people know there is not so much a loophole but at the end of a contract a player can walk if he choses...
What I want to know is why is somebody looking for ways he could jump ship now...
To be honest not that I think for as much as I have two balls dangling he will leave sold or not sold....
I see this on the BBC website this morning and I sware them and sky including the sun newspaper columnists are hell bent on supplying any information on breaking down our club and players will within the club.....
This shit that gets dug up is getting beyond a fucking joke...you just simply don't hear it with other clubs not to this extent...
But and I will say this...why is this guy doing this kind of digging?
Most people know there is not so much a loophole but at the end of a contract a player can walk if he choses...
What I want to know is why is somebody looking for ways he could jump ship now...
To be honest not that I think for as much as I have two balls dangling he will leave sold or not sold....
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Re: Van Persie to Sign Arsenal Contract
Of course he could invoke Webster; there are countless players that could. There is no reason to believe he actually will, though. Furthermore, it's my understanding that European clubs have an informal agreement not to induce players into invoking Webster because it's bad for all of them, basically.
I'd be amazed if it happened. Just some dude trying to get his name in the press.
I'd be amazed if it happened. Just some dude trying to get his name in the press.
Re: Van Persie to Sign Arsenal Contract
RvP loves Arsenal. Why in the world would he ever try to screw us out of a transfer fee IF he were to want to leave??
What a worthless article.
What a worthless article.
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Re: Van Persie to Sign Arsenal Contract
Stupid stupid article. RVP is like God to gooners, he would be doing himself more harm than good by invoking the Webster.
Re: Van Persie to Sign Arsenal Contract
See this is how everybody sees these so called articles...
Just a fucking waste of time...
Just a fucking waste of time...
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Re: Van Persie to Sign Arsenal Contract
The Webster clause gets mentioned with every 'big' transfer. Cesc could have invoked it and many other players, it just doesnt happen. As has already been mentioned, all clubs lose if players start using it
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