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Post by ralph avedikian on Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:41 am

1- He can't afford to buy 'match winners' and have them sit on the bench.

2- If he did buy 1 or 2 match winners and had them on the bench, it would be another lesson of how Wenger is wasting our wages on bench players.

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Post by Michael Foster on Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:48 am

ralph avedikian wrote:1- He can't afford to buy 'match winners' and have them sit on the bench.

2- If he did buy 1 or 2 match winners and had them on the bench, it would be another lesson of how Wenger is wasting our wages on bench players.

We can if we lighten the load.....

And would be better if we chucked away the dead wood...
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Post by John Foxall on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:18 am

I don't think we ever have had an amazing bench. At least we're not known for having impact player subs (specialist impact players at least).

Our most successful teams just had killer first XIs, and good back-ups. Having Wiltord come in when Pires got injured in 2002 was about as good as it got. Euro 2000 winner and Ligue 1 top scorer.

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Post by Jonathan Prendergast on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:38 am

Michael Foster wrote:And this is exactly what I have been saying for so long now.....



"Tonight shows the lack of depth in the Arsenal squad."

Phill Neville on BBC sport

Let's have a think about players unavailable (injured or rested) tonight: Mertersacker, Koscielny, Sagna, Gibbs, Santos, Miquel, Arteta, Wilshere, Diaby, Cazorla, Podolski, Walcott, Giroud, Djourou. 14 players.

It's not as if we lacked depth to cover a few absentees. It was basically our second team!
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Post by Jason Morrison on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:15 am

Well the problem is the term depth doesn't just mean to have players available after your 1st XI. It means to have those extra players and them being able to come in and do a job to get us good results when they are needed.

Meanwhile with our second team you can almost always be sure they're gonna lose, to just about anyone. and When we bring these 2nd string players into the 1st XI they always look out of form and out of their depth.

Basically depth is to have players be able to come in and get decent results not just to come in and lose so as to give the 1st team players a rest as is with us, thus we have very little depth.
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Post by Jonathan Prendergast on Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:20 pm


Wow. That shows part of our weakness in our game. Not enough width with the forwards. Too many players coming back and inside to help central midfield with us very much missing Arteta.
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Post by Michael Foster on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:13 pm

Having the depth requires you to not only cover with a player of near equal caliber of at least abilities to be able to slot in and do the same job or to have other impact traits to offer something different of equal caliber....

Now we look at our second string and I see nothing but 'once in a while men' these offer nothing but a slim bit part 90 mins of just 'being there to offer a team selection'

Look at it this way when we had players (and not saying grand epic players) like wiltord,rayes,kanu there was a almost joy of knowing they could come in and offer something good...these were just a few to mention that could if required do a job and slot in....banked alongside what we had there..the henry,pires,Vieira and so on it was at least depth of class...do we have one player that's of that stature anywhere through our squad..I could compare all of our squad to counterparts gone and they will come to a reasonable distance of being close but not as good.....and let's be honest about this.....no......is jack anywhere near what Vieira was no. .will he be.who knows bit what I do know is we don't have much there for him to look up to...to be fair cazorla is looking the only out and out bang on piece of hardware we have....sure as I said we have good players....but not of the caliber our club should have....the benchmark was set with the undefeated..and it should have risen or at least been equaled....as where all we have seen is the class we had one by one be sold off or basically left to walk..not on..not on by miles in my book,sure the stadium was going to be some kind of burden on what we could afford....but the way I see it as one left why was one not replaced of equal strength all round and clearing out one,just one dead wood player would have helped towards wage cost....take into account just having one good signing per window if you like would have had us at least 7 quality players in by now and we would probably still be all sitting here talking of how well cesc,rvp and co done well with the newer players against whoever's at the weekend...
But what do we have....class out and average in...stalled contracts,players walking after being shown no interest in the fact the words they say fell on def ears,asking for players to keep them at clubs they loved and a place they would have and shown a good fight for...I was once asked how I felt about henry leaving....
I tell you this now....'I told him a player of his caliber wants to walk from a club he loves so much tells you something is not right'....the day he left was the day this rot started..
It's not by no way what I am saying Henry's fault...no way...but as the club it is,Henry being touted should have been a huge wake up call for the ol chums upstairs...dig out that bank book and start writing fucking tabs up....your gonna need to spend...and one by one...off they went..I personally think in some way the board is too fucking stubborn to realise what shit they have dug themselves into..knowing If they were to tell it as it was the walls would come crashing down...all the respect and so on built up would vanish as where now after all this...is long gone in my book....and to add insult to injurie we have our new Mr silent Stan spunking money on a ranch an 80 million quid ranch...now forgive me..not really so much a thought but if we can as we say almost to compete and spend a good few quid on players but not pay wages...how about ol Stan chips in with some of the wages for now and when the ground and so on is paid for get some kind of repayment back in say I don't know the success for the club?!?! Well so he says that's what he is here for,its what owners are here for..see to your day to day affairs of something you own..see it is running right and offer support where needed.....not to turn up plough money into shareholders pockets then get told to leave the club be and thanks for the monies...he has just as big a part to play and SHOULD be calling shots....especially when the whole world can see what is going on with his investment....

The be end of all things with this depht is the owner has no say,the board don't want to say and a manager cannot say....


As where we are all saying....


Where is our arsenal.


We need not only new players for the first team....but the shocking reality is after seeing what we have in reserve...probably need a new reserve squad too.....

I don't see many match winners nor players that can dig us out the shit...

The last of those left for the other cunts in red....in one way I don't blame him.
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Post by Michael Foster on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:38 pm

The way I see it is this...

A.wenger needs to grow a set and tell the board exactly what is needed

B.the board needs to accept what Wenger tells them and needs to accept they need to ask
the owners to help out after all its the investment they struck into

C.don't have to fall completely back on sugar daddies money's as so we are told the club
is self sustainable and at the moment just needs a one off help to boost it back up and
if they don't then what exactly are they here for...just the profit?? We are not another
man u by lightyears and I don't want to see somebody come along plough nothing into
The club then take profits....this would just show the boards weak stance if they let this
happen..would you let somebody do it to your business? I for sure would not.

D.tell it like it is...the fans pay high prices,get left with not but hot air and sugar coated
shit...tell us exactly why we did not buy so and so or Mr x...because the strength in
depth is for all to see...and why we ended up with have baked ideas...tell us instead of
letting us do all this guess work and possibly slating the wrong people...

And E,show us the way forward again because for so long we have sat here now knowing
its 3 steps forward 9 steps back..and do it quick 15 games gone cups around the
corner and champions league into the nitty gritty stage...and its already looking a
disaster.


And for god of love....please will somebody get bloody rid of the deadwood. Lol
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Post by Michael Foster on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:39 pm

Jonathan Prendergast wrote:

Wow. That shows part of our weakness in our game. Not enough width with the forwards. Too many players coming back and inside to help central midfield with us very much missing Arteta.


Yet another thing I have been shouting about for this season....no shape to us what so ever.....

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