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Post by Alan Dawson on Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:03 pm

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No real big fights happening in January aside from David Price v John McDermott in a British title eliminator. Price will most probably win which would set up a very watchable and weird fight with Tyson Fury. Both are 6'9, can punch and have weak chins.

There is a worrying trend in boxing now that if you whinge and whine enough you either a: get your world championship belt back and a loss turned into a No Contest (Hopkins) or b: get a rematch (Khan).

Pacquiao and Mayweather will never fight. Bob Arum doesn't want it to happen.

Kell Brook is Britain's next world champion.

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Post by Alan Dawson on Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:40 am

I take back what I said earlier, Rigondeaux v Ramos later this month is a big fight from the lighter weight classes

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Post by Chris Chan on Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:36 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/16515328.stm

Still all hot air Al Dawg? Why does Arum not want it to happen?

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Post by David Hung on Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:26 pm

I want to see Pacquiao v Mayweather so bad. so so bad.

Also want to see Trout v Mundine

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Post by Alan Dawson on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:56 am

Chris Chan wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/16515328.stm

Still all hot air Al Dawg? Why does Arum not want it to happen?

I genuinely think Pacquiao wants the fight, I don't see why he wouldn't, but he's also weak minded when it comes to Bob Arum's influence. Too many boxers these days, Pacquiao included, go by what their promoter tells them rather than take the fights that will define legacies. It's also probably one of the reasons why the sport isn't flourishing as well as it used to. The big fights just aren't happening as often as they should do. There was only one genuinely big, big fight last year - Haye v Wladimir - and Haye was just not good at all. There should have been three. JuanMa Lopez v Yuriorkis Gamboa… both fighters represented by Arum. It's been a fight that had (up until April) been gaining momentum. Both undefeated, both knockout punchers, both seemingly awesome. Arum wanted to sit on the fight and wait for it to gain even more momentum so it would create more money for his fighters but mainly for him. He waited too long. Lopez lost to Orlando Salido, a fighter Gamboa beat. The interest was lost. You'd think he'd learn his lesson. Now, Pacquiao's skill-level is in worrying decline. He hasn't looked good since beating Cotto. The Margarito victory, as brutal as it was, is tarnished by the fact that Margarito is about as useful as a heavy bag. I think Arum knows this. If Pacquiao fought Mayweather, I'd be amazed if he won more than two rounds. I think it would either be a very one-sided 118-110 victory for Mayweather, or even a late corner stoppage. I think the fight would be so one-sided that instead of the majority of the media praising Mayweather, they'd turn on Pacquiao and say he wasn't that good anyway. He was in constant decline since 2009. The fight happened three years too late. When this happens, it would probably push Pacquiao further into politics. When that happens, Arum's moneymaker is gone. Arum would make less money on a singular fight matching Pacquiao with a fighter he knows he can beat, but by doing that over a longer-term basis (two fights a year for another two years) it would outweigh what he'd earn from one super fight with Mayweather.

The only way a fight with Mayweather happens, imo, is if everyone knows it's Pacquiao's last fight.

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Post by Mario on Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:57 am

Great channel I found with 80-85 boxing documentaries and almost 30 fights: https://www.youtube.com/user/ibhof2

Mayweather vs Cotto for May 5th. I wonder if Floyd mentions anything about this being Pacquiao's 'leftovers'? This fight is probably 4-5 years past it's peak. At 154lbs, Floyd should have fought Martinez (in terms of being more competitive) but Cotto brings most cash and is very winnable. Still, should be a big event.

This weekend, Nonito Donaire vs Wilfredo Vasquez Jr and Chavez Jr vs Rubio are the fights to watch.

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Post by Alan Dawson on Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:01 am

At least the fight is at 154lbs, but I agree, Cotto provides the biggest cash at super welterweight but not the biggest competition. If Mayweather has plans on doing two-thirds of what Henry Armstrong did then I think it would offset who he won the title from. If he keeps on having two fights a year, one defence of his welterweight title every May 5 (or it's closest weekend) and one defence of his super welterweight belt every September 17 (or it's closest weekend) then it would be awesome. Putting Alvarez v Mosley on the undercard is done either because it's Cinco de Mayo or maybe to get Alvarez closer to a Mayweather fight at 154. I'd want to see Mayweather against Lara but he carries no name value!

I thought Donaire was a bit of a disappointment against Vazquez Jr. Arce completely tormented Vazquez Jr, and Arce isn't the biggest of super bantamweights. If Donaire was as powerful as he was made out to be you'd think he'd be able to put more of a convincing stoppage performance in (bloody hand or not, and it was his lead jab hand - the left - not the power punch hand) rather than a decision, albeit a touch one sided. I'm beginning to think Donaire is as over-rated as Maidana, which isn't by much, but still not as much as they're made out to be. Donaire had his advantage at flyweight and bantamweight by being a physical beast but now he's fighting at a weight close to where he should be he's finding more people he's unable to knock unconscious. Also, Arum is maneuvering him around like he is Pacquiao. Arce has dropped back to bantamweight and that's apparently going to be the next fight. The only two fights I want to see Donaire in at super bantam is Rigondeaux and/or Nishioka, at least the latter has been mentioned, which is something! Nishioka has good great talent.

I really, really like Chavez Jr and think he is under-rated! The fight against Zbik was very tight. But he's developed so much since then. Against Manfredo he showed he knows how to box, as well as his standard inside fighting. Then with Rubio he showed he can do both. I've been reading a lot that says he needs to develop more than just in-fighting, but he definitely can box and for me is therefore a two-dimensional fighter. His chin is ridiculous, his punch resistance is overall rather good but since stepping up beyond gatekeeper types to contenders it's shown his power isn't all that so it's going to be less effective when he makes the next step to actual title-holders/lineal champions. Who cares if he wants to fight like his dad with the left shots to the body and the in-fighting?! If you're dad was the biggest, baddest Mexican fucker ever who better to try to emulate?! Chavez Jr v Martinez would be a good fight and Chavez would go the distance but I think with his questionable defence (even though he limited rubio to a 17percent success rate) I think Martinez would be able to pick him off.

This weekend it's Dereck Chisora versus Vitali Klitschko in what should be an entertaining fight both during the final promotion this week and during combat in the ring. Our of the two most recent Englishmen to fight a Klitschko, unfortunately, I think they were matched with the wrong brother! I think David Haye would be better suited to Vitali, as his evasive maneuvering could work well against Vitali's power, while Chisora's ridiculous I'm-going-to-fuck-you pressure could really bother Wladimir and his chin. Against Vitali, who barely loses a round, has never been behind on the scorecards and has never been dropped during his professional tenure, I don't think Chisora has much chance.

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Post by Chris Chan on Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:17 am

Surprisingly Chisora didn't get completely outclassed, but Vitali still ended up on top

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Post by Mike York on Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:38 pm

Dereck Chisora & David Haye could face lifetime boxing bans
Dereck Chisora and David Haye may face life bans for their Munich brawl says the British Boxing Board of Control General Secretary, Robert Smith.

"It's a possibility," Smith told BBC Radio 5 live. "The board have many powers. They can fine, they can suspend and they can withdraw a licence."

Haye and Chisora clashed after Chisora's defeat by defending WBC heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko.

German police want to question Haye after releasing Chisora without charge.

The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) said a misconduct investigation had been opened into Chisora's "behaviour...prior, during and after" the Klitschko fight.

"A further statement will be issued once the stewards have decided on what action will be taken," the BBBofC said.

"With regard to Mr David Haye, Mr Haye is not a licensed boxer with the British Boxing Board of Control and therefore no longer under our jurisdiction."

Although Haye has retired from the sport, the board could choose to effectively ban him by denying him a licence if he seeks to fight again.

Chisora and his trainer Don Charles had been arrested at the city's airport following the scrap at a post-fight news conference late on Saturday night.

Although local officers want to contact Haye, Chisora's promoter Frank Warren says he understands the former WBA champion has returned to the UK.

The Metropolitan Police told the BBC they have had no contact yet from German police in relation to Haye.

The scenes unfolded after Haye showed up at the news conference to confront Klitschko, who he believes changed his mind on a potential fight between the pair.

But that sparked a verbal exchange with Chisora and the pair squared up to each other before a brawl ensued.

Chisora accused Haye of "glassing him", before saying at least four times that he would shoot the former WBA heavyweight champion.

He added: "If David don't fight me, I am going to physically burn him."

Smith said the scuffle ranked among of the lowest moments in British boxing history.

"I'm very disappointed and very saddened that in a sport I love I have to deal with this," he said.

"I have to speak to the German Boxing Federation and German police and then take appropriate action. This is not good, it's bad, we have to deal with it accordingly."

Haye was not at his hotel on Sunday morning and failed to turn up for his scheduled flight.

It is understood officers went to Haye's hotel in the early hours of Sunday morning and were knocking on doors and questioning guests in a bid to find the former world heavyweight champion.

After being detained, Chisora was told by police that he was free to return to England. He made no comment after arriving back at Heathrow at 2200 GMT on Sunday.

Chisora arrived at the airport to return home, but was stopped by police, who detained him at their Munich headquarters.

He has had part of his fight purse withheld by the World Boxing Council after slapping Klitschko at the pre-fight weigh-in on Friday.

Chisora spat water towards Klitschko's brother, Wladimir, moments before Saturday night's bout began.

More controversy followed when Chisora exchanged words with the Klitschko brothers after the result was announced.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17088619
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Post by Alan Dawson on Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:59 am

The sensationalist reporting amid all this is outrageous. I'm surprised at the BBC headline as it's completely misleading.

The British Boxing Board of Control cannot issue lifetime boxing bans. They cannot even issue widespread bans, all they can do is suspend a license in the UK and prevent a fighter from plying their trade here.

Danny Williams was denied a license as he was deemed too unfit to continue to box at his age. All he did was get a Latvian license and box under an alias - something he did a lot last year.

David Haye is retired anyway, doesn't have nor need a license in the UK and even if he was to return, the only place he'd make money would be Wembley but by the same token he could get as much fighting in a German soccer stadium or in the US, should they make a fight over there.

There's ways around it.

As for the drama, it's all a fuss over nothing. It's boxing for god's sake. Where was the security at the press conference? Look at Nathan cleverly and Tony Bellew last year, they were ready to fuck each other up at a pre-fight press conference but before they could lay a fist on each other, both Frank Warren and security were stepping between them.

There was none of that in Munich last weekend. Chisora's trainer Don Charles even explicitly requested "get security and get him [Haye] out of here".

If the British Boxing Board really want to pursue who was in the wrong, where the catalyst for all this was for Chisora's behaviour "during" the event, it's because Wladimir was doing the usual Klitschko mind-game tactic of intimidation and throwing them off their game in the dressing room. That's why Chisora gobbed all the water over Wlad. Now, all that could have been avoided if there were the proper authorities in Chisora's dressing room to alleviate the handwrap issue. The proper authorities in this case for Dereck will have been the British Boxing Board, but where were they? They were ringside. Neglecting their responsibility.

Is this really a low point in British boxing? No! The mainstream media need to shut the fuck up. It's one of the biggest in a long while, especially as it's heavyweights. And it's two British heavyweights bringing the excitement. A declining division in a declining sport has suddenly made the front-pages of domestic press and international media. Everyone will now want to see Chisora and Haye fight in a battle of London, it will be absolutely huge.

As for the fight, it was decent. I gave Chisora three rounds. Vitali was landing cleaner shots for the majority of rounds but he was in a competitive fight, something not many have given him since 03 and Lennox Lewis. The undercard was pretty poor.

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Post by Mario on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:04 pm

My take on the madness.

I thought the brawl was quite funny. They disgraced themselves, not the whole sport like everyone seems to suggest. Both of them are clowns and it shouldn't come as surprise as Chisora has previous; the biting, the beating of his girlfriend. They should have known that if Haye was there something may happen. His weigh-in and pre-fight antics showed no class, but they didn't bring 'shame' to the sport. Just made him look a bit unstable. There's a lot of aggression in these guys, sometimes they get out of hand and it's got people talking about them which I guess is mission accomplished as far as they and their promoters are concerned. Especially Haye, who is pretty irrelevant and needs his mouth to do his promoting because he's done nothing of note in the ring for a few years now. As for Chisora, I want to see him in the ring again, maybe with an Arreola or even Wladimir.

And I also gave Chisora 3 rounds, it was maybe the 1st heavyweight fight involving a Klitschko in a few years now that remained interesting throughout the whole 12 rounds because Chisora showed heart and courage, something their opponents don't have when they enter the ring (Haye) or lose as the fight goes on and they're getting a beating.


What really hurts the sport of boxing is decisions like that seen in the Cloud-Campillo fight. Campillo outboxed Cloud, no way did he ever lose, yet the corrupt Texas judges gave the fight to Cloud. Disgraceful. It was a good fight though and 2 more coming up with Maidana vs Alexander and Broner vs Perez this weekend.

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Post by Chris Chan on Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:29 am

WBC give Chisora an indefinite suspension

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17200218

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Post by janelle.noel on Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:33 am

Mario it does disgrace the whole sport for people who are just casual followers. You see someone like behaving like that and you generalise. Its different from a war of words. The slap, and spitting water, and then fighting with bottles? Athletes' behaviour always reflects on the whole sport, not just themselves.

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Post by Mario on Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:33 am

Maybe so Janelle. It clearly has made an impact in the UK press and for the wrong reasons. Which is typical as a lot of good stuff goes unnoticed but that will always be the nature of the beast in regards to anything.

I guess I'm just used to seeing some of these fools act up a bit and am quite cynical to what's real and what's staged in these situations. But their behaviour was idiotic and I think most people involved in the sport blame them and don't feel that the sport has suffered or been disgraced. But as for the casual follower, it looks like it has made a negative impact as a whole, yeah.

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Post by Will.sheng on Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:48 am

WBE - now a direct competitor to WWE

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Post by Alan Dawson on Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:00 am

I love WWE. John Cena is a great man, although prefer other wrestlers. Love Kane's persona and his promos are brilliant. His rivalry with Randy Orton earlier in the year was hilarious and his promo with Daniel Bryan recently was also funny. Orton is back now after his steroid ban, I like him a lot. Michael Cole is good on the mic but WWE misses JR. The Rock and Brock Lesnar are on the roster but must be on a cushty contract as they barely feature… maybe like once every two or three PPVs.

As for boxing… the Olympics were a bit of a farce. Thankfully that scoring system is done with.

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Post by Alan Dawson on Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:01 am

Oh and it's impossible not to be mesmerised by Rey Mysterio or Sin Cara

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